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Commons Gazette 2025-03

In February 2025, 1 sysop was elected; 1 sysop was removed. Currently, there are 182 sysops.

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Removal:

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Edited by RoyZuo.

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--RoyZuo (talk) 01:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Webservice request timed out for glamorous tool on toolforge

Seems like there is not GitHub repo and the issues are also not tracked in phabricator. I don't understand why that is since that makes it unlikely for other to discover and help develop these useful tools.

Does somebody here know why the glamorous and glamorgan – which can be used to see file uses of files (example) – are getting the 504 Gateway Time-out – is there an issue somewhere?

--Prototyperspective (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Online again. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
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Unsourced Map Used on Many Pages

  • GIF uploaded 27 March 2010 by JWooldridge. 575 × 792.
    GIF uploaded 27 March 2010 by JWooldridge. 575 × 792.
  • GIF uploaded 23 March 2006 by en:User:Andrew c. Talk page reveals he has a vector version. 364 × 500.
    GIF uploaded 23 March 2006 by en:User:Andrew c. Talk page reveals he has a vector version. 364 × 500.
  • Andrew c's source map. 4 March 2006. © Israel Central Bureau of Statistics.
    Andrew c's source map. 4 March 2006. © Israel Central Bureau of Statistics.

I wasn't sure where the right place to discuss this is, but the image Galilee to Judea.gif is a map which was uploaded 15 years ago without comment and which is now used on something like twenty wikipedia articles across several different languages. It makes several claims about borders and political entities without any sources, and is placed very authoritatively at the top of some articles despite that. Is there a policy about this, or could someone familiar with the subject verify the contents of the map? I'm not very familiar with Commons so I'm sorry if this is confusing or if I'm making something straightforward into something very roundabout, but I'm very concerned about the idea of maps and other images which contain unverified claims being presented as authoritative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buglover100000 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Looks to me like the source is Andrew c in 2006 with CC-BY 3.0. 364 ≈ 363.005. Aspect ratios are 0.726 and 0.728.
Andrew states:
This is a map of first century Iudaea Province that I created using Illustrator CS2. I traced this image for the general geographic features. I then manually input data from maps found in a couple of sources.
  • Robert W. Funk and the Jesus Seminar. The Acts of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco: 1998. p. xxiv.
  • Michael Grant. Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels. Charles Scribner's Sons: 1977. p. 65-67.
  • John P. Meier. A Marginal Jew. Doubleday: 1991. p. 1:434.
Glrx (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
thank you so much! this had been bothering me for a little i really appreciate you taking the time to answer!
Buglover100000 (talk) 06:26, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
Another place would be the Help:Misinformation talk page but it may be rather unlikely to get an as good reply there as quickly. For other similar cases, also see Files (datagraphics) without data sources that are used on Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects can be found using the GLAMorgan tool here (alternative tool). on that page. In this case, if you found out what the source is, please add it to the file info. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
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video2commons not working

Hello everyone,

I am writing an article about Katu Mirim and I found this CC BY video on youtube which would be a great illustration. When I try to pass it through https://video2commons.toolforge.org/ though, I get the error : Error: An exception occurred: DownloadError: b'ERROR: [youtube] RhbJjHhm6LU: Sign in to confirm you\xe2\x80\x99re not a bot.

Could anyone else try, see if you get the same error ? Thank you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhbJjHhm6LU

have a good day Vache-crapaud (talk) 22:50, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, if you check Commons:video2commons, you will see unfortunately it stopped working for YouTube videos for a while now. The problem came from YouTube itself so currently there are no fix for it. As a workaround, you just have to download the video manually then upload the file through videos2commons. Tvpuppy (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
Thank you! Vache-crapaud (talk) 09:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
Tracked in GitHub
toolforge/video2commons/issues/237


Created the issue. See Commons:YouTube files/Downloading for info how to download as webm without the tool. Prototyperspective (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

No to intimidation of volunteer contributors

Hello, just for your info, there is an open letter in the French Wikipedia fr:Wikipédia:Lettre ouverte : non à l'intimidation des contributeurs bénévoles in support to a user (also user here) who suffered pressure and threats from a newspaper journalist. Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Nazism vs National Socialism

Hello everyone,

I would appreciate it if other users could participate in this discussion to help reach a consensus. Your feedback and input would be valuable in resolving the matter.

Thanks in advance!

Nebula84912 (talk) 18:11, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

L'Illustration year

Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. ReneeWrites (talk) 17:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Could someone edit this template so it appears in Category:Magazines of France, 1914, not in Category:1914? Rathfelder (talk) 11:03, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Done, I have edited it. Now it shouldn’t appear in the year category. Tvpuppy (talk) 12:05, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
Thank you Rathfelder (talk) 23:08, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Question to native English-speakers about correct category name

Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. ReneeWrites (talk) 10:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Some time ago I created Category:Child victims of National Socialism, and since I'm not a native English-speaker, I used the already existing Category:Child casualties and Category:Child Holocaust victims for guidance on choosing a proper English name for my category - both categories use the singular form for the word "child". Recently, @Blackcat moved[1] the category to the plural form "children": Category:Children victims of National Socialism. I asked[2] Blackcat about the move, because the naming is not in line with the other categories and to me the singular form "child" sounds like the correct form. I might be wrong, of course, but Blackcat also doesn't seem to be a native English-speaker, so I'm hoping to get some input from native English-speakers on the category name. Should it be "child victims" or "children victims"?

(Side note: in the user talk page discussion, you'll see that "Japanese children" and "Children of Japan" were mentioned. This is in reference to some other category moves that Blackcat did (e.g. [3]) and which I absolutely support, because the original category naming in those cases was definitely non-standard and I only had chosen that non-standard naming because there was already a category with that naming pattern when I started to create similar categories for children of other nations; namely, it was this one: [4]. But the non-standard naming also created issues with country-navigation template usage, so I'm glad that Blackcat fixed those with the move.) Nakonana (talk) 17:06, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

I think that using the singular form "child" sounded more correct. Using the plural form, i.e. "children victims", doesn’t seem correct in the same way as using the plural form for “adult”, i.e. “adults victims”. Tvpuppy (talk) 17:35, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
"Child victims" is correct. "Children victims" doesn't make sense. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:44, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
"Child" is correct, and in this context it is an adjective, not a noun. English-language adjectives don't change forms in the plural. - Jmabel ! talk 21:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
"Child victims" is the correct plural. ReneeWrites (talk) 12:10, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
"Child victim" is a compound noun; plural is "child victims". See https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/nouns-compound-nouns Glrx (talk) 17:40, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
@Glrx: I know that "child" is used as adjective in that context (and as a matter of fact I know that English adjectives don't change in genre and number) but I thought it could be used "children" as noun ("Children [that are] victims of WWII". Anyway the consensus towards "Child victims" is clear, I'm going to revert my move. -- Blackcat 10:45, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
I think it might have worked as a noun if there was a dash: "Children — victims of WWII". However, that would be a very unusual category name, and there might be a subtle difference in meaning, too.
Anyways, thanks for undoing the move, and thanks to everyone else for the input. Nakonana (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I proposed to change the GFDL cut-off date

Hi! Since this place is for discussing of policies I thought I would leave a notice that I made a proposal to change Commons:Licensing here: Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Proposal_(change_GFDL_cut-off_date). --MGA73 (talk) 19:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

"This file did not pass file verification."

Hi all

I've just tried to upload some svg files (individual pages of a booklet I've been working on for a Wikimedia chapter) and I'm getting a weird message with about 20% of the pages, it says "This file did not pass file verification". Two things:

  1. There is no further information about what this means and no link to documentation that explains this. How do I requestion this gets fixed?
  2. Does anyone know if there is documentation on what this error means and how to fix it?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 13:10, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

@John Cummings: Since you don't say the date or file name it's hard to be sure. You say you "just" did this, but the most recent Filter Log entries I can find for you are almost a week back. Those were for trying to add a permission ticket when you aren't a VRT member. Actually, that's what I see for all Filter Log issued for you in the last month or so. - Jmabel ! talk 18:40, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Normally it would mean that the file is not an svg or has the wrong extension (this would not show up in the abuse log). It would help if you could upload the file somewhere else and link to it so we can see. Bawolff (talk) 20:11, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Looking at logs, it looks like you tried to upload a 12mb file named "12 Case study pages Sudan.svg". Are you sure that wasn't supposed to be a .pdf instead? Case studies aren't usually in SVG format, and the error you got would be the one you would get if you tried to upload a PDF file with a .svg extension. Bawolff (talk) 09:39, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
Hi Bawolff thanks, its definately an .svg, Jmabel, I don't understand what ticket you mean, am I doing something wrong? If so I'd like to correct it. To be clear, it won't show up in my uploads because it won't accept it as an upload. Here are the files which don't work, you can see from my recent uploads other svg files in the same series I made at the same time work completely fine Category:WikiGap Brochure...
I've started a phab ticket here
Thanks for any suggestions.
John Cummings (talk) 11:11, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
Hi Jmabel, thanks but I'm completely confused, I didn't try uploading these images with a VRT template, I think I've only ever uploaded anything with the OTRS/VRT pending template.
@John Cummings It looks like those files have very large embedded JPEGs in them. Commons does not allow raster images embedded in SVGs to be larger than 10mb (after base64 conversion). I think this is the issue you are having. Bawolff (talk) 03:53, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
Hi Bawolff, thank you very much for explaining, is this documented anywhere? John Cummings (talk) 09:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
I added it to https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:SVG&diff=prev&oldid=912120003 last time this came up. As far as i can tell, its not an intentional change but a change because one of the programs mediawiki uses (libxml) changed its default. So all that would need to be done is for mediawiki to set the LIBXML_PARSEHUGE option to restore the old behaviour. Perhaps @Sannita (WMF) could convince the multimedia team to look into it. Bawolff (talk) 09:21, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
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