Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2014/08
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Photo of Asilomar Conference Grounds room
This photo is on Flickr under CC-BY 2.0, and high resolution versions are available. In looking at the photo, the question is, would the painting towards the right of the room pose a copyright issue, and if so, could the issue be worked around by retouching the picture to conspicuously blur the painting? In addition, parts of the bedspreads appear to have some sort of decorative design on them, but it seems that the design (if copyrighted) would likely be de minimis and therefore not an issue. Any thoughts? --Gazebo (talk) 09:46, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- I think that the painting and each of the spreads are definitely de minimis. While it is possible that a crop of the image showing only the painting or only one of the spreads might be a problem, that does not affect the image as a whole. We have many hi-res images that have elements that cannot be shown separately. . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:06, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Copyright of war memorial obelisk in Dorada Park, Oakdale, California
In Dorada Park, Oakdale, California there is a war memorial obelisk. From what one understands, FOP in the US does not extend to artwork but at the same time, if a work of art was installed in a public location without a copyright notice prior to 1978 and there was no effort to actively prevent copying, then the work is out of copyright in the US. Andrew Shanken, an associate professor of architecture, mentioned in his writing "Towards a Cultural Geography of Modern Memorials" (pg. 358) that the memorial obelisk was installed in 1929 by the Ladies Improvement Society. When the memorial was looked at very recently, one does not remember seeing a copyright notice (assuming it did not wear off over time or something like that.) This seems to indicate that there is a good chance of the memorial obelisk being out of copyright, although perhaps additional information would be useful. Thoughts? --Gazebo (talk) 04:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think that an obelisk would not get a copyright, because it is too simple. This design exists since the high antiquity in Egypt. Regards, Yann (talk) 06:46, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Copyright for publicity of local factory in 1950's Spain
Hi there, I am entangled in a small maze related to copyrights. I have an interesting publicity poster of the 1950's Spain depicting a map. The advertiser is a small textile manufacturer, and the poster has been used in a book. The editor got the poster picture from a foundation, and that is stated on the picture caption. What copyright applies? Should I ask for permission to the foundation? Would it be enough to get a "yes, you can use it email"? Any hints appreciated. Iñaki LLM (talk) 06:57, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Correct licenses?
Hi, I'd just like confirmation that I have used the correct licenses when uploading File:London Road, Hazel Grove 1890s.jpg. I'm going to upload a few pre-1923 images manually from the Stockport Image Archive and I want to be sure I'm doing it correctly. Cheers. Del♉sion23 (talk) 13:05, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
- It looks fine to me. Regards, Yann (talk) 12:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help :) Del♉sion23 (talk) 14:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
FNAC logo on Kobo ereader
Hello,
I submitted File:Kobo_by_FNAC_White_bg.jpg for QI review and the reviewer rightly raised concern about the copyright of the logo on the device. This is the logo of en:Fnac a French retailer co-branding the device in France. When uploading I didn't think it was a problem because the logo is just normal text and a square, so not copyrightable in my opinion, also the logo is not the subject, the ereader is. If the logo is a problem I'll just clone it out. What's the proper course of action here ? Thank you for your help. D4m1en (talk) 10:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, the FNAC logo is covered by {{PD-textlogo}}. Regards, Yann (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
"This file for non-profit use"
Isn't this a violation of the requirement of Commons to be able to use media also for commercial purposes? This guy has uploaded a bunch of images with such a comment. Palosirkka (talk) 14:25, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- DR created by Túrelio. I added one more. Thanks for reporting. Regards, Yann (talk) 15:01, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks guys! Palosirkka (talk) 16:40, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Threes! and Blek icons
Does the Threes! icon meet the threshold of originality? Amitie 10g suggested it did at the icon's deletion discussion. If it doesn't, what about the Blek icon (at enwp) as well? Is there a good resource for reading more about this? czar ♔ 21:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- See Commons:Threshold of originality. I'd say the Copyright Office would analyze the Blek icon as a stylized B in a box and deny it registration, much like the W crown in File:Best_Western_logo.svg.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- The Threes! icon has been released by the copyright owner {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} and we have a OTRS ticket to prove it, the fact they wish to revoke an un-revocable licence can't change that. I would also agree with Jim in his close of the DR that as the company behind it appears to be in the US, it would fall into {{PD-textlogo}} so it is free what ever way you look at it. The Blek Logo on the other had would appear to be Austrian in decent so while it is probably {{PD-textlogo}} in the US, the threshold of originality in Austria is different to that of the US and it could well be protected in Austria so would recommend leaving it at enwp either as fair use (as it is currently) or if you are sure it is free in the US as {{PD-ineligible-USonly}}. LGA talkedits 23:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Commons:Threshold of originality didn't have a lot by way of definitions for me to work with. My understanding is that we work with copyright holders who need to revoke within a short period of the original upload. (Though, if it is PD-textlogo anyway, that defeats the purpose of the cc-by-sa license.) If the Threes logo is simple enough to not pass the TOO, why wouldn't Blek's be as well? What else would we need to know about Austrian threshold of originality? czar ♔ 04:19, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Unfortunately we are not comparing like for like, on a purely US basis both are most likely {{PD-textlogo}}, as for Threes logo that is far as commons needs to go as it is a US logo, however as for the Blek logo, that comes from Austria and commons policy requires it to be free in both the US and Austria and it the issue of it's protection in Austria that is the difference. The too examples that Commons:Threshold of originality gives for Austria give some guidance that it could be protected but it is not definitive, however given that there is some doubt, COM:PRP would indicate that we don't host it and play it safe. LGA talkedits 04:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Commons:Threshold of originality didn't have a lot by way of definitions for me to work with. My understanding is that we work with copyright holders who need to revoke within a short period of the original upload. (Though, if it is PD-textlogo anyway, that defeats the purpose of the cc-by-sa license.) If the Threes logo is simple enough to not pass the TOO, why wouldn't Blek's be as well? What else would we need to know about Austrian threshold of originality? czar ♔ 04:19, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- The Threes! icon has been released by the copyright owner {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} and we have a OTRS ticket to prove it, the fact they wish to revoke an un-revocable licence can't change that. I would also agree with Jim in his close of the DR that as the company behind it appears to be in the US, it would fall into {{PD-textlogo}} so it is free what ever way you look at it. The Blek Logo on the other had would appear to be Austrian in decent so while it is probably {{PD-textlogo}} in the US, the threshold of originality in Austria is different to that of the US and it could well be protected in Austria so would recommend leaving it at enwp either as fair use (as it is currently) or if you are sure it is free in the US as {{PD-ineligible-USonly}}. LGA talkedits 23:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Some FoP cases
While trying to grab some of the images at Fotopedia (a hosting site that’s going to disappear within 3 days), I come across a few items that may not be worth uploading due to copyright concerns, namely constraints to the freedom of panorama:
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/9MaaEZ8Hz0A-a2a7eY_MvkQ -- not OK; temporary exhibit from June 6 to Sep 11, 2011[1]. Copyrighted sculpture "Hitting Things just with Qi" by Cang Xin.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/9MaaEZ8Hz0A-mps8OitGc6Q -- File:Omega by Luk van Soom.jpg (Also from the Anningahof as #4, but there since 1998 and still there.) Unfortunately, not OK, see #4.
- Nominated for deletion at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Omega by Luk van Soom.jpg. My bad. Lupo 14:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/9MaaEZ8Hz0A-rcByUpu6JQE -- File:Reformation Wall Geneva, detail.jpg
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/9MaaEZ8Hz0A-Tv2QwXZM-Lw -- not OK. Open air all right, but not a public place according to COM:FOP#Netherlands (museum, entrance fee charged, photo taken from museum's grounds). The Anningahof has a "yearly changing collection"[2], and it appears that this one was on display from 2011 to 2013. (Not listed anymore in 2014, but is listed in earlier years.)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/9MaaEZ8Hz0A-yjfZ5tLYRoA -- not OK; temporary exhibit from June 6 to Sep 11, 2011[3]. Copyrighted sculpture by Sui Jianguo.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/AW6O4d24noA-pTK2E6PugrM -- File:Hands of hell.jpg
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/damienroue--EVlKROnXJc -- not OK; apparently placed there only temporarily from March 22 to May 5, 2011 according to [4].
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/gpsloco-JKpQ9qaNeoY -- Interior view; location is Germany, which has FOP only outdoors. (Funny that someone with the handle "gpsloco" has no geoinformation in the EXIF...)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/jmhullot-9cxk973Mn10 -- not a FOP issue; image shows Laotian banknotes. Laos is not listed at Commons:Currency.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/kqOYwfvlKZ8-rcm0soHw9cE -- This was copied from the Commons to Fotopedia: File:Bill Reid Haida Gail 01.jpg. Unclear whether it would be OK FOP-wise. (Photo of a copy of the sculpture; copy is located outside the Canadian embassy in Washington, DC, United States; another one exists in Canada.)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-XCJIiXziWaE -- no FOP in France, sculpture too prominent IMO. Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-sZy4ouApR2U -- billboard/poster above window too prominent IMO. Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-sNA1Udcj9tI -- might be OK, the two posters visible are obscured by reflections and might count as de minimis. Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-Q1QXp9j4eHY -- looks OK to me Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-qfVd0H8Zd6Y -- looks OK to me Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-qJXxiWysmuo -- looks OK to me Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-FA-W7lc3d8E -- looks OK to me Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-hEk0-897j3s -- looks OK to me Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-iXwwL-1FnIY -- looks OK to me Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-j_vugSVkOLM -- interior shot, ad display is main subject.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-Kb9TkZWZRSs -- display with two posters is main subject; also no info about where that is.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-L0PvXlWiAFU -- not sure there's something copyrightable there (maybe the textile design), but IMO not worth the trouble.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-0TyG1FGGTCI -- looks OK to me Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-3Oe3KFTTMd4 -- is OK; sculpture by François Joseph Bosio (1769-1845). See Category:Statue of Louis XIV in Paris, Place des Victoires. Uploaded as File:Equestrian statue of King Louis XIV in Paris, Place des Victoires.jpg.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-5goDrU_WxiQ -- unclear; personally, I wouldn't upload it: whole display looks artistic. Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-5K7hUxY47mw -- looks OK to me Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC) Uploaded as File:GiorgioArmani@Paris.jpg. -- Tuválkin ✉ 18:01, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-6yYiqRL_nak -- borderline; personally, I wouldn't upload it. Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-7jVVwQLq27Q -- borderline; personally, I wouldn't upload it. Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-aT_0X8XAJcU -- poster in first window too prominent.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/suzan-ba1ywx_VaMU -- poster in first window too prominent.
- http://www.fotopedia.com/items/hoa-5b5e62a4c2517ef250b43c28e40c2268 -- is a copyvio/license washing (and not a FOP case anyway: indoors). Available in fuller version on many other sites, for instance [5]. Artwork by Adam Wallacavage.
If you think these can be hosted in Commons, well, better grab them while they are still there. If not, well, better focus on salvaging stuff we can keep. -- Tuválkin ✉ 21:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Uploaded #2 as File:Omega by Luk van Soom.jpg and #3 as File:Reformation Wall Geneva, detail.jpg. On #1, #4 and #5, I'm not sure they are permanently installed. #6 is probably also permanent? Lupo 21:58, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- I commented on #11 to #30, but I don't have the time to upload those I think might be fine. Lupo 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
This other photo from Fotopedia is pending a DR also for FoP issues. -- Tuválkin ✉ 21:04, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
non-free "open" licenses; list?
Hi! A new family of "open access" licenses from the STM publishing group was recently brought to my attention. They restrict derivatives and commercial use, so they pretty clearly fail to comply with the licensing rules. This made me realize:
- I don't know if there is an official/quasi-official list of known-non-free licenses; and
- If there is such a list, I don't know what the process is for putting a license on it (other than being bold).
Any pointers for me? Would such a list be valuable if we don't have it? Thanks. —Luis Villa (WMF) (talk) 15:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Commons:Bad sources lists some media sources that are known to be common sources of copyright violations and non-free content. Commons:Copyright tags has a section called Unfree licenses, mainly for licenses that had a template at one point. Other than that, we don't have anything approaching an exhaustive list of licenses that are not compatible with Commons' licensing requirements, just as we don't have an exhaustive list of licenses that are suitable for Commons. We describe the requirements in Commons:Licensing, and we list the most common free and non-free licenses that people are most likely to encounter (which essentially amounts to different Creative Commons licenses) in a number of contexts (e.g. Commons:Flickr files, and Commons:Project scope/Summary). I don't know if the licenses you mention merit inclusion anywhere. I would say it depends on how likely it is that people mistakenly upload content covered by those non-free licenses. —LX (talk, contribs) 19:07, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- One issue to consider regarding this specific family of licenses is the Association's encouragement of adding "riders" to standard licenses. The intention appears to be for authors to add the 'Research Rights Added' to the CC family of licenses, thereby rendering those licenses no longer free for certain kinds of reuse (such as data mining.) I assume this falls under the similar NC or ND interpretation and would render the license unacceptable for Commons, even though the license were otherwise CC-by or similar? (Not having seen this in the wild, I assume these riders would become CC-by-RRA) - Amgine (talk) 19:53, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Amgine: Yes, that appears to be what they intend (though not 100% clear yet). Definitely would cause extra confusion if that happened. But I'm hopeful that these will not become widely used.
- @LX: If there isn't a list, I don't see a particular need to create one. Happy to discuss if others have a different opinion, though. —Luis Villa (WMF) (talk)
- Isn't that illegal? CC licenses typically contain language forbidding any extra conditions, e.g. the CC-BY-3.0 legal text 8. e. says This License constitutes the entire agreement between the parties with respect to the Work licensed here. There are no understandings, agreements or representations with respect to the Work not specified here. Licensor shall not be bound by any additional provisions that may appear in any communication from You. This License may not be modified without the mutual written agreement of the Licensor and You. which would suggest that any "riders" can be freely ignored. --Tgr (talk) 03:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- "...without the mutual written agreement of the Licensor and You." For example, This work is licensed under the CC-by license with the addition of the Research Rights Added rider; any use or reuse of this work indicates your agreement to be bound by this license and rider. - Amgine (talk) 04:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Tgr: I think Amgine and Jkadavoor have already mostly answered, but to be clear: if there is a sole/original author (which is usually the case in scientific publishing), they can choose to do whatever they want with "their" license, including adding/removing terms. The prohibition on adding restrictions primarily matters when there is a third party's content involved. For example, if a paper used my CC BY-SA image to illustrate the paper, and added a non-open clause that claimed to restrict use of my image as well as the rest of the article, that would be a violation of the terms I placed on my image. Hope that clarifies.
- CC could make a trademark claim, I suppose, but realistically that'd be a very difficult, distracting claim to make. They're much more likely to succeed just with straight up PR efforts. —Luis Villa (WMF) (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Luis Villa (WMF), hope you're talking about this. Jee 16:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Jkadavoor: Yup, that's a good link for the policy. It is just a hard policy for them to enforce, legally. —Luis Villa (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Luis Villa (WMF), hope you're talking about this. Jee 16:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- I put up a blog post about these licenses, by the way. —Luis Villa (WMF) (talk) 09:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Copyright status of File:Venera 13 - ven13right.png
Venera 13 was a Soviet space mission that returned surface imagery of Venus. Images from it are hosted by a NASA website that carries a disclaimer that all content on the site is public domain. Consequently, we have some images from it hosted here on Commons under NASA-PD. I nominated it for deletion recently, decision was "keep" since NASA said it was okay, even though NASA doesn't own the imagery. This raises some questions in my mind: Can a website that hosts (but doesn't own) an image give permission to Commons for use? Does the opinion of the NASA personnel satisfy our copyright requirements in both the US and the Russian Federation? In fact there are some fair use images of Chinese space missions on the same NASA website, should we upload those to Commons as well? Thoughts? Geogene (talk) 16:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- This was an unbelievably bad closing decision. While NASA has gotten far better (in general) regarding attribution of non-NASA material, they are not infallible, especially on old webpages. The NSSDC website is especially egregious when it comes to hosting images that are copyrighted. I'm personally of the opinion that NSSDC should be blacklisted as a source for this reason. Regarding this particular situation, what NASA personnel believe regarding copyright is irrelevant. The fact is that this is an image taken by a Soviet spacecraft, not a NASA one, and these images remain copyrighted. Neither NASA nor Commons can unilaterally declare these rights null. — Huntster (t @ c) 22:38, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- That would be a good idea, to blacklist the NSSDC webpages as a source, because nearly every space-related image I see that's problematic came from there. Note there's a warning that comes with the NASA-PD tag that applies to pictures of Russian/non-US hardware on NASA websites not necessarily being PD; probably whoever put it there had that particular site in mind, because I've never seen photos of Russian hardware on other NASA sites. The important point here is that NASA-PD images are PD because a NASA employee made them as part of their official duties, not because a NASA representative thinks that they're PD, even if they put a disclaimer on the site that says they're PD and then emailed us permission (because misunderstandings happen, they're rocket scientists, not copyright lawyers). I don't see a problem for them putting things on their website as educational fair use, but that's not suitable for our purposes at Commons. Geogene (talk) 00:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
File:Macaca nigra self-portrait.jpg
Even if the photograph is uncopyrightable, the descriptive text in the EXIF data is presumably copyrightable and copyrighted... AnonMoos (talk) 11:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- In such a case, it should be possible to reupload the image without the descriptive EXIF text and then have an admin delete the previous revision. --Gazebo (talk) 07:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Is a Flickr comment sufficient?
I've been in correspondence with a Flickr user about uploading some of their photos to Commons. These photos are currently licensed as "All rights reserved", so I explained to them that they would need to change the licences to either CC-BY or CC-BY-SA in order for them to be compatible. Their response (which you can see here, along with the entire conversation) was positive, in that they gave me permission to use the photos, but they have not yet changed the licences. Is a Flickr comment sufficient to grant permission, at least on a temporary basis, or do we strictly have to wait until the licences are changed? PeeJay2K3 (talk) 16:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- "You're welcome to use any of my photos." is not enough as it implies a permission "to be used on the Wikipedia article about the 1999 Champions League Final." But a comment "I am here by releasing this photo under a CC BY 3.0 (or CC BY-SA 3.0)" is enough. Note that a version number is must for a valid license. Jee 16:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Attic fan photo
If a high resolution version of this photo of an attic fan were to itself be released under a free license, would there be a copyright issue with the logo and text on the thermostat box underneath the fan (with the blue front) or would it be a case of de minimis or below the threshold of originality? (As a side note, this is not the first time that I have asked about copyright issues with possible image contributions, but it seems more useful to get information from others in unclear situations than to contribute an image that has to be deleted later on.) --Gazebo (talk) 07:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- That's safely de minimis in my opinion, and likely below the threshold of originality as well. The logo seems to be a version of the one found at http://sunshinecontractingcorp.com/roofing/ventilation/master-flow-power-attic-fans/, so I'm guessing the relevant copyright jurisdiction is the United States, which seems to have a pretty sensible threshold of originality compared to, say, the UK. —LX (talk, contribs) 13:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Possible copyright violation?
Hi. I have been in a discussion about a Japanese toy in en.Wikipedia. The discussion (please see here [6]) recently turned to a possibly copyright violation by commons user Japanexperterna.se; specifically this file in commons ([7]). As I have no idea about copyright in Japan, I would appreciate some help in this matter. Regards.--MarshalN20 (talk) 18:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- The issue seems to have been solved at the en.Wikipedia talk page. No need to worry about this request. Thanks!--MarshalN20 (talk) 13:27, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Category:Japan Expo 2014
Are these files permitted here? In this court ruling, it was found that photographs of two different chair models violated the copyright of the chair designer. These clothes look a lot more complex than the chair models, so I'm suspecting that the clothes are copyrighted by the tailors. In most cases, the clothes seem to be more important to the images than the people wearing the clothes, so the clothes aren't de minimis either (but note exceptions such as File:Frédéric Urek, éditeur des éditions Delcourt (14690636754).jpg). I have not seen any French court rulings about clothes, but I would assume that such court rulings exist, and France seems to grant copyright protection to more or less everything. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:34, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to all who keep this thing going
Q: can I get my Mum to paint a version of:
http://tudorhistory.org/parr/parrbadge.jpg
and upload it on commons?
I've already tried asking the copyright holders if I can use their version but they declined.
The original is from Tudor times but the only images available is the apparently rendered of touched up image shown and the following commons image:
advice is much appreciated Gregkaye (talk) 22:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think if a painting is based on a copyrighted work, it's a derivative of that work and the copyright holder of the original work would also have a copyright interest in the painting. However I don't know anything about the origin of that particular image and whether it has a valid copyright. It wouldn't if it was just a copy of a public domain image, but if it was modified it may be copyrightable. I would be best to find an old public domain version of the image and base any new work on that. --ghouston (talk) 01:31, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- Gregkaye -- generally in heraldic matters, the textual Blazon is authoritative, and many artistic renderings corresponding to the blazon can all be considered correct, and an artist who creates a new rendering of a coat of arms based on the blazon owns the copyright to his particular rendering. However, that may not fully apply here... AnonMoos (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Useful articles, US versus foreign copyright, and Commons policy
Recent discussions and comments have indicated that there are jurisdictions outside the US in which non-artistic utilitarian items can be copyrighted, even though such "useful articles" are not copyrighted in the US. (From what one can tell, France and Sweden are among the countries where utilitarian articles can be copyrighted, but the US and Japan and the UK are not.) It would be useful to clarify the following: For Commons, is the issue of accepting photos of non-artistic utilitarian articles due to the situation where a useful article from Sweden (for example) could be copyrighted in its country of origin (Sweden) even if not copyrighted in the US and therefore in contradiction to the Commons policy that works be freely licensed or uncopyrighted, at minimum, in the US and their country of origin?
Another question: If a site operates only under US law, such as the English language Wikipedia, then would it be permissible for such a site to host photos of non-artistic utilitarian items even if the items are from a country where useful articles are copyrighted, assuming that the items fall within US copyright's exclusion of "useful articles"? --Gazebo (talk) 04:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Commons policy says that all pictures must be free in the source country as well as the United States. I do not see any exceptions at COM:L for utilitarian objects.
- English Wikipedia uses a few copyright tags such as w:Template:FoP-USonly, w:Template:PD-ineligible-USonly and w:Template:PD-US-1923-abroad, which allow pictures which are free in the United States but not in the source country. I would assume that the same rule applies for images of utilitarian objects. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- There are quite a few files hosted under FOP exceptions that would not be free in the US. Saffron Blaze (talk) 18:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Does "FOP exceptions" refer to FOP for artwork or for architecture? US FOP does not extend to artwork, but the current policy is to allow photos of artwork if covered by FOP in the country where the photo was taken; this policy does seem to be an exception of sorts to the requirement of "freely licensed in the source country and the US." There was a RFC discussion about the issue and photos of copyrighted artwork covered by FOP in the source country are sometimes tagged with {{Not-free-US-FOP}} as an advisory.
- For architectural works, from what one understands, photos of buildings in countries with no FOP for architecture (such as France) can not be hosted on Commons but can be hosted on the English Wikipedia with a license tag such as {{FoP-USonly}} if the photo itself is freely licensed. In any case, it is easy for Commons contributors to not fully understand the details of copyright law (which is not a simple topic itself) and to unintentionally upload photos that violate Commons policies and/or copyright law. --Gazebo (talk) 19:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, Commons makes exceptions for FOP. Firstly because images published under FOP are not completely free, since you can't make certain derivative works such as 3D reproductions of the original object (I've also seen the theory that you can't make any derivative works at all, only the original photograph is covered by FOP). Secondly the exception that photos of foreign artworks are allowed to remain, even if they would not be allowed under US copyright law. --ghouston (talk) 23:06, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- There are quite a few files hosted under FOP exceptions that would not be free in the US. Saffron Blaze (talk) 18:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
ESA's pictures of Churyumov-Gerasimenko...
... are under copyright and cannot be used here. What if one takes one of several of these photos, taking the data to make a drawing? --Küchenkraut (talk) 12:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- It depends on what you mean by "data". If you create an original work based only on data in the sense of measurements distributed by ESA, then all is well. If, however, you create a derivative work based on a copyrighted non-free work (represented as image data), then you cannot distribute it or issue a valid copyright license for it without the copyright holder's permission. —LX (talk, contribs) 18:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Copyright
Would someone there be able to look at this photo. I uploaded it from Flickr, but the Flickr user credits someone named "Phillip M. Kemp". I tried to find this photo online in some copyrighted place, but couldn't find it. I hate breaking copyright and hope someone else may have a moment to double check. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 01:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Bollywood Hungama images
Recently i'm concerned about Bollywood Hungama images. According to Ticket:2008030310010794 we can use "Bollywood Hungama parties and events" photos only if they are photographed by their own photographers. My question is, how do we know that a specific photo is created by their own photographer since their is no comment like 'this image is created by us'. Now, this parties and events photographs has two things, some of them are watermarked and some of them are not. We don't need to worry about watermarked images but some photos (without watermarking) belong to Bollywood Hungama exist on different websites with larger version (for an example, File:AmeeshaPatel.jpg and google search result). Did they really belongs to Bollywood Hungama? I think, only water marked images are created by their own photographers because there is no other way of understanding their own pictures without this approach. In this case, we've to upload only watermarked images. ~ Nahid Talk 20:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- BTW, just to be clear: most of the larger photos from that Google search are slightly different from the one at Bollywood Hungama. However, this one linked at [8] is the full-length portrait of which Bollywood Hungama shows a crop. These two are from the same common original. Lupo 20:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- ...and only from the "parties and events" section. At least that's what I understood when we discussed this a while back. I find this Bollywood Hungama license highly unclear. Lupo 20:23, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Category:Azadi Tower
How does Commons FOP policy interpret photos of this tower?
The source country of a tower is normally the country where the tower is located (in this case Iran).
This tower is not located in a Berne Convention member state. The architect is a citizen and resident of Canada (a Berne Convention member state). According to the Berne Convention, this means that the source country of the tower is Canada.
According to Commons policy, pictures should be free in both the source country and the United States. For source country, do we use the source country of the building (Canada) or the country of photography (Iran), or do we demand that the pictures must be free in both countries? Pictures of this tower are obviously fine in both the United States and Canada, but not in Iran. --Stefan4 (talk) 23:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think the Commons policy refers to the country where the photograph was taken. There are plenty of other examples of photos taken by visitors to other countries and first published on Commons, but I've never before seen any suggestion that the citizenship of the photographer is considered important. --ghouston (talk) 23:31, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- See the Berne Convention, Article 5 (4) (c). The rules are a bit different when non-members (such as Iran) are involved. --Stefan4 (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- But isn't it the case that the Commons policy has nothing to do with legal requirements, which only require following US laws? --ghouston (talk) 03:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Commons policy is that all files have to be free in both the United States and the source country. Pictures of buildings are free in the United States regardless of where they are located (see e.g. w:Template:FoP-USonly). --Stefan4 (talk) 13:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, so it's Commons policy that determines what is meant by "source country", not the Berne Convention, so I'd say in this case it would be Iran, and the copyright laws of Canada are irrelevant. --ghouston (talk) 23:10, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Although I suppose you could argue it the other way too, but do think "source country" for Commons purposes refers to the location of the building. --ghouston (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- Commons policy is that all files have to be free in both the United States and the source country. Pictures of buildings are free in the United States regardless of where they are located (see e.g. w:Template:FoP-USonly). --Stefan4 (talk) 13:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- But isn't it the case that the Commons policy has nothing to do with legal requirements, which only require following US laws? --ghouston (talk) 03:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- See the Berne Convention, Article 5 (4) (c). The rules are a bit different when non-members (such as Iran) are involved. --Stefan4 (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Note that while Hossein Amanat is now a dual citizen (Canada and Iran), he did not leave Iran until eight years after this structure was built, so I don't see how we can stretch the country of origin to be Canada -- the copyright was in place long before there was any Canadian involvement. However, since there is an open DR at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Azadi Monument.jpg may I suggest that this discussion continue there? . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Own Work?
Here is one example of hundreds from the same author: File:Bahnkarte_Isartalbahn.jpg. The author explains: Own work (in German: "Eigenes Werk"), "using this sheet of the General Map of Central Europe from the 3rd Military Mapping Survey of Austria-Hungary". Actually, the author has seemingly only marked the railway line. He shows the original public domain map with expired copyright protection after slight modifications under new cc-license. Is it ok to mark this as own work under new cc-license?
Link to German discussion (no reaction): Commons:Forum#Eigenes_Werk.3F
See http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf (United States Copyright Office): "As a result, it is not possible to extend the length of protection for a copyrighted work by creating a derivative work. A work that has fallen into the public domain, that is, a work that is no longer protected by copyright, is also an underlying “work” from which derivative authorship may be added, but the copyright in the derivative work will not extend to the public domain material, and the use of the public domain material in a derivative work will not prevent anyone else from using the same public domain work for another derivative work."
This is from a government agency. What does the community think about it? (Text edited for better readability.)--RöntgenTechniker (talk) 15:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- If somebody modifies a public domain work, and their modifications cross the threshold of originality so that they are eligible for copyright, then as far as I know the copyright on the derived work will last for the usual term. Of course their modifications have no effect on the original work, which is still in the public domain. So I the only potential problem I see with the copyright claim is whether tracing a line on a map is sufficiently original to justify a new copyright. These rules seem to be a grey area which differ by country, and for Commons purposes the file is acceptable in any case since a CC licence is provided. --ghouston (talk) 23:18, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- The problem is that the same author has already asked for that file:Karte_Offshore-Windkraftanlagen_in_der_Deutschen_Bucht.png by a user for permission to use it in a public lecture. And has not been given permission. However, the alleged creation as his own and CC license allows its use only with attribution of all authors, virtually impossible and legally may not be required.--RöntgenTechniker (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- How do you know Chumwa denied the permission to use that map? I cannot see that this really happened. --Alexrk2 (talk) 16:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Insertion: He has a request therefore and this left unanswered for two weeks, though otherwise active: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion%3AChumwa&diff=132631473&oldid=132556199 , https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Chumwa#Karte_Offshore-Windkraftanlagen_in_der_Deutschen_Bucht --RöntgenTechniker (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- How do you know Chumwa denied the permission to use that map? I cannot see that this really happened. --Alexrk2 (talk) 16:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- The problem is that the same author has already asked for that file:Karte_Offshore-Windkraftanlagen_in_der_Deutschen_Bucht.png by a user for permission to use it in a public lecture. And has not been given permission. However, the alleged creation as his own and CC license allows its use only with attribution of all authors, virtually impossible and legally may not be required.--RöntgenTechniker (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- That one looks to be very different. It seems the user added a lot of elements to the base map in that case. He credited the source of the data, but the depiction in the map itself appears to be theirs at first glance, which would absolutely be copyrightable. The raw location data itself is not directly relevant to the map copyright; it may differ by country whether there is any protection to that, though obviously it's usually best to credit them. It seems OpenStreetMap was the base map, so that needs to be credited, and the windmill graphic was listed as public domain so its author technically does not need to be mentioned (for copyright purposes) but it probably should be done for moral rights. I don't see how permission can be denied to use it in a public lecture though, unless the lecturer did not want to use it under the terms of CC-BY-SA and was seeking a separate license. Carl Lindberg (talk) 13:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- In the U.S., I'm virtually certain the addition would not be enough to warrant an additional copyright (see this case). I'm not as familiar with the German standard, so no real idea there. At the very most though, the copyright would cover that exact yellow line and nothing more. Someone else could highlight the same map with their own yellow line and it would not be an infringement. It would be an extremely narrow copyright, if it existed. I would guess it would not cross the threshold in most (if not all) countries. But, in the case that some country somewhere actually would rule that as copyrightable, the explicit license could in theory help re-users in that country. Carl Lindberg (talk) 13:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- If someone has the opinion, that a certain work has no TOO, he is free to ignore the CC license and re-use the work as PD at his own risk. On the other hand, if we (Commons) would decide about TOO of uploaded works, we would have a bunch of legal risks. --Alexrk2 (talk) 16:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- And yet we do decide about TOO of uploaded works all the time, and there are many a logo we would have to delete if we didn't. Commons doesn't exist as a legal body, so has no legal risks. The WMF is offered no legal risks by any of our actions here as long as they follow any DCMA requests they get. Uploaders may in theory see risks but it doesn't really happen in practice.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- If someone has the opinion, that a certain work has no TOO, he is free to ignore the CC license and re-use the work as PD at his own risk. On the other hand, if we (Commons) would decide about TOO of uploaded works, we would have a bunch of legal risks. --Alexrk2 (talk) 16:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- We decide all the time, when the choice is between ineligible in the source country and deletion (i.e. something is above the threshold, and we have no license). It's just that when the choice is between ineligible and a valid license, i.e. a keep either way, we may want to be conservative and keep the license, even though it's unlikely to be valid in many places, if that is what the uploader wants. Carl Lindberg (talk) 20:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Signs
Hi, I have some photos of signs - village sign, road sign for Cycleway and "freelance children" sign on farm. Can I upload these and which license is required? Thanks user:Diane.parkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diane.parkins (talk • contribs) 18:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- (Moved this question to the bottom. Lupo 19:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC))
- @Diane.parkins: I assume you're talking about British Village signs. Those are OK; give your photo a free license (such as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}) and additionally place {{FoP-UK}} on the file page. Road signs (traffic signs) should in general be OK anyway, so cycleway signs should be fine, too; I don't think these are copyrighted at all; just give your photo a free license. As I have no idea what a "freelance children" sign might be I cannot make any statement about that. Lupo 19:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- {{FoP-UK}} doesn't apply to two-dimensonal works, such as signs. If a sign contains copyrightable art work or lengthy text, it shouldn't be uploaded. --ghouston (talk) 23:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Those village signs are more like sculptures, though. Probably another grey area. --ghouston (talk) 23:43, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Right, and the UK has FoP for sculptures. Carl Lindberg (talk) 00:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Ghouston, before I wrote my initial reply above I did look at the images in the article I linked, and also at Category:Village signs in England. Most of what I saw were either sculpture-like or other works of artistic craftsmanship such as this. We also seem to host quite a few 2D ones, such as File:Chale sign.JPG; most of these seem to be some large simple and most likely non-copyrightable text combined with some logo/image that may or may not be copyrighted or that might pass as de minimis. I've also seen some where the logo/image is more prominent, such as File:Whitwell Ventnor Road village sign during snow December 2010 3.JPG. That last one might definitely be in a gray area. But in general, those British village signs appear to be OK. Lupo 07:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Diane.parkins: On the "freelance children" sign: just upload it, and then we'll see. If it's not OK, we'll just delete it again. I'm curious to see what a "freelance children" sign is. Lupo 07:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Diane.parkins: I assume you're talking about British Village signs. Those are OK; give your photo a free license (such as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}) and additionally place {{FoP-UK}} on the file page. Road signs (traffic signs) should in general be OK anyway, so cycleway signs should be fine, too; I don't think these are copyrighted at all; just give your photo a free license. As I have no idea what a "freelance children" sign might be I cannot make any statement about that. Lupo 19:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Potential misuse of POTY photo
This picture was used in the UK newspaper the Metro today (19 August) while reporting on these birds appearing the Isle of Wight. I recognised the image from Commons. The Metro image is credited to "REX". I've had a look around and it seems the Metro used this website as its source (image on right). The image has not been attributed to Pierre Dalous, but to "REX/Richard Kaminski". Has the image been misused by REX? I guess nothing can be done about this? Thanks. 130.88.141.34 08:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Only copyright holder can do anything. See Commons:Enforcing license terms. Jee 09:07, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- How unfortunate. Thanks for the reply. I added it to Category:Files reused by external parties out of compliance with licensing terms. 130.88.141.34 09:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Legally, only @Pierre Dalous can do something about it. However everything is not about doing legal action. I mean we (as individual volunteer or members of user groups, chapters, etc.) can spread the word and bring enought attention on this to make it stop. --PierreSelim (talk) 13:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- How unfortunate. Thanks for the reply. I added it to Category:Files reused by external parties out of compliance with licensing terms. 130.88.141.34 09:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Commons:Adaptation and Collection
I made a n attempt. Please check and correct if any errors. Honestly, I made a lot of cut and paste, so rewording is appreciated to avoid plagiarism. Jee 15:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
OCHA
Every single file in the Category:Maps by United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (some 193 of them) has a watermark which ammounts to free advertising for UN OCHA, the corporate author of all of these maps. Poeticbent talk 16:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
GFDL with disclaimers
Can {{GFDL-with-disclaimers}} be removed if {{GFDL}} is already present? --Ricordisamoa 18:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- No. If an image was moved from wikis that had a GFDL tag with disclaimers it has to be kept. Unless the original author changes it to a standard GFDL template. En wiki was affected for a specific timeframe and I remember to have seen this on it and ja as well.--Denniss (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Also keep in mind that you must use the correct disclaimer. You can't for example replace {{GFDL-en}} (English disclaimer) with {{GFDL-ja}} (Japanese disclaimer). It seems that someone has redirected {{GFDL-it}} to {{GFDL-en}}, which causes big problems for Italian images as {{GFDL-en}} doesn't contain a link to the Italian disclaimer... --Stefan4 (talk) 18:43, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Wrong, the text is just a translation of the generic disclaimer so it's valid to link to the english version. The GFDL-ja page was probably just kept to have a proper user link to ja wiki. --Denniss (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- That's not correct. Read the GFDL: "Preserve in that license notice the full lists of Invariant Sections and required Cover Texts given in the Document's license notice." If you modify the text in the disclaimer, for example by translating it to another language, then you are not preserving the disclaimer, but replacing it with a different disclaimer. --Stefan4 (talk) 20:19, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Wrong, the text is just a translation of the generic disclaimer so it's valid to link to the english version. The GFDL-ja page was probably just kept to have a proper user link to ja wiki. --Denniss (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Also keep in mind that you must use the correct disclaimer. You can't for example replace {{GFDL-en}} (English disclaimer) with {{GFDL-ja}} (Japanese disclaimer). It seems that someone has redirected {{GFDL-it}} to {{GFDL-en}}, which causes big problems for Italian images as {{GFDL-en}} doesn't contain a link to the Italian disclaimer... --Stefan4 (talk) 18:43, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Images within a 1922 journal
I have a journal published in 1922 in Germany. It contains small reproductions of posters. Usually the death dates of the artists, when their names are known, are unknown and cannot be found.
Can I upload to Commons images that I take of pages in this journal? If so, what license?
Henrytow (talk) 21:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is subject to US copyright law. Per Wikipedia:Non-U.S._copyrights#Four-point_test a journal published in 1922 in Germany is in the US public domain. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Probably not. They would be PD in the US, since they were published before 1923, meaning that they could be uploaded to the English Wikipedia (which I think just uses U.S. rules). Commons however also requires works to be PD in the country of origin. There is a provision for anonymous works to be copyrighted for 70 years from publication, but if a name is known, they are not anonymous and that term cannot be used. The death dates must be found. The German wikipedia might have (or did in the past) a 100-year rule-of-thumb that items like that older than 100 years might be OK, but those sound newer than that, and Commons does not use that rule anyways. There is a practical point where a work is old enough to assume the author is virtually certain to have died more than 70 years ago, but that would not be the case for something published in 1922. If some of the posters are dated much older (say at least 120 years old but there's no hard rule), they may be more likely to be OK. Carl Lindberg (talk) 04:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Images which are uncopyrighted in the US but copyrighted in their country of origin should be hostable on the English Wikipedia. For such images, it may be useful to use the {{PD-1923-abroad}} license tag or the {{PD-1923-abroad|XXXX}} tag for images which will enter the public domain in their country of origin in the year XXXX. (As a side note, for works first published outside the US, publication without a copyright notice may not constitute publication for US copyright purposes unless such publication was before July 1909.) --Gazebo (talk) 06:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note that German law has a somewhat odd definition of 'anonymous'. As far as I have understood, artworks created before 1 July 1995 are only 'anonymous' if they were published after the death of the anonymous author (but within 70 years after the creation of the artwork), or if they satisfy {{PD-Germany-§134-KUG}}. --Stefan4 (talk) 18:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Copyright of medical imaging
This draft report states that medical imaging is not copyrightable on chapter 300 [9]. It is still in draft form. We have had issues with people deleting medical imaging in the past. Thus am posting here to increase awareness and hopefully decrease this from occurring. James Heilman, MD (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Please read Эlcobbola's response on the talk page. It seems this is an opinion by the Copyright Office, not necessarily supported by law. — Huntster (t @ c) 23:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Of course it's supported by law; do you think the Copyright Office used a magic 8-ball to produce their reports? Whether or not a court would follow it is questionable, as is true of anything we rely on, but they do give discretion to the agency opinions like that.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Many of the examples at COM:TOO#United States are based on the opinion of the United States Copyright Office, as opposed to actual court rulings. The Copyright Office has lots of people who should know U.S. copyright law better than we do. --Stefan4 (talk) 18:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for that; it's effectively a regulation (not law exactly, but it does have legal effect). And it's very explicit. The entire Compendium is guidance (for Copyright Office employees) to decide what is copyrightable and what is not, based entirely on copyright law and court decisions, so it's very much supported by law. In most cases, courts would have to rule that the Copyright Office abused its discretion, not simply that they were wrong. The most explicit section is the last one in Chapter 900; it doesn't leave much doubt. Unless we get a contrary court ruling, I would absolutely follow that guidance. Carl Lindberg (talk) 05:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Copyright.gov down for maintenance August 22-25
Search "The Copyright Office Online Public Catalog will not be available between 5:00pm U.S. Eastern Time on Friday, August 22 and 6:00am, Monday, August 25 while the Library performs maintenance." We hope (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Commons, Hewiki, and FoP
I recently nominated File:Georgia Guidestones.jpg for deletion as this sculpture is new enough to be still covered by copyright and the U.S. has no freedom of panorama for public sculpture (see the DR I opened as well as an earlier DR for details). I just noticed that a duplicate of this photo has subsequently been uploaded to Hewiki as he:File:The Georgia Guidestones Monument.png. Does Hewiki have some sort of exception where they allow the hosting of images that do not comply with FoP in the country where the subject of a photo is located, if the photo would be covered by FoP in Israel? (in this case, if the Georgia Guidestones were located in Israel instead of the U.S. this photo would almost certainly be eligible for {{FoP-Israel}}) However, I don't speak Hebrew, nor am I familiar with the policies of Hewiki. I tried to take a look at the Copyright FAQ at he:ויקיפדיה:זכויות יוצרים/שאלות ותשובות, and I think it suggests that he:File:The Georgia Guidestones Monument.png is eligible for deletion on Hewiki but I couldn't figure out enough of he:ויקיפדיה:מדיניות המחיקה to reliably determine how to nominate a file for deletion on Hewiki (the process appears to differ from Enwiki, the only site whose deletion process I am familiar with besides Commons). Is there a Hebrew speaker here who can take a look at he:File:The Georgia Guidestones Monument.png and nominate it for deletion on Hewiki if it violates Hewiki policy? —RP88 (talk) 02:36, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Hep with license for mugshot
I have requested help/clarification on the Help Desk, but received no attention so I am cross posting here.
File:Rick-Perry.Mug-Shot.ms.081914.jpg
This is a mugshot of Rick Perry, released to the public by the Travis County Sheriff. What is the correct license to use? Cwobeel (talk) 03:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- If you don't know why something is public domain, please don't upload it as such. As a general rule, governments that aren't the US Federal Government retain copyright on their works, with US law not recognizing such claims on laws, judicial opinions, executive orders and the like. So this would still be under copyright.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
FoP Netherlands
Hi all reading Template:FoP-Nederland, the phrase "as long as the work is depicted as it is located in the public space." is causing me disquiet, along these lines to be truly free on Commons, works must be free to be remixed by third parties in any way. However this rider would seem to imply that we can only apply FoP to a work only if the derivative work created faithfully depicts the artwork as it is. So one could not for example photoshop graffiti onto it, create a derivative in which it is a different colour, or make it seem as if the work was located in a different location, i.e. no remixing, and no remixing is incompatible with Commons. Thoughts please?--KTo288 (talk) 17:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- Commons makes an exception and accepts works relying on FOP, even though there are restrictions on what derivative works can be made. --ghouston (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem very clear exactly what kind of derivative works are permitted by FoP, if any, in any country, so this restriction from the Netherlands may not be very significant. However note that there's also "Where incorporation of a work in a compilation is concerned, not more than a few of the works of the same author may be included”. I guess Commons itself is such a compilation. --ghouston (talk) 01:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- The usual "faithful" clause is for moral rights -- you can't make alterations unless it's quite obvious to a viewer what those alterations are, lest someone think they are actually part of the original work and could affect the original author's reputation. As for the FoP part, remember the exception is that photographs etc. of the object are allowed, so you can only make derivative works of that particular photograph. If you make a work that strays too far from the original photograph, then you are making a direct derivative work of the original underlying work (not just the photograph), and are no longer necessarily protected by FoP. It's really not a reason to prohibit the photographs we can otherwise use; there are lots of valid uses of such photos. Carl Lindberg (talk) 03:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
- Of more possible significance is the restriction that "Where incorporation of a work in a compilation is concerned, not more than a few of the works of the same author may be included.” If, as Ghouston previously mentioned, Commons itself constitutes a "compilation" (or, for that matter, one or more of the categories on Commons could constitute "compilations,") could there be an issue given that the uploading of works in reliance on Netherlands FOP probably does not take into account the number of works from any given artist or other author? Perhaps someone who is familiar with Dutch copyright law can elaborate as to how Netherlands FOP applies to Commons. (On the other hand, Commons currently allows photos of artwork covered by FOP overseas even though there is uncertainty as to whether foreign FOP for artwork would apply in the US where Commons is hosted.) --Gazebo (talk) 11:03, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- What does "a few" (enkele in Dutch) mean anyway? I don't know what they are thinking when they write these laws, why don't they just say "five" or something? It does refer to a few of the artist's works, so it seems to be fine to have countless photos of any particular work, as long as only a few such works are included. Deciding which of an artist's works should be included in Commons would be an interesting discussion on each artist individually. --ghouston (talk) 23:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- You could argue that Commons could ignore the restriction on "a few" of the works, since as a US publication it doesn't need to follow Netherlands rules, and this particular rule doesn't prevent individual files from being used in the Netherlands. But under US rules, only buildings are included in FoP, not art works, so you'd end up with collections that violate copyright law in both countries. --ghouston (talk) 00:07, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Of more possible significance is the restriction that "Where incorporation of a work in a compilation is concerned, not more than a few of the works of the same author may be included.” If, as Ghouston previously mentioned, Commons itself constitutes a "compilation" (or, for that matter, one or more of the categories on Commons could constitute "compilations,") could there be an issue given that the uploading of works in reliance on Netherlands FOP probably does not take into account the number of works from any given artist or other author? Perhaps someone who is familiar with Dutch copyright law can elaborate as to how Netherlands FOP applies to Commons. (On the other hand, Commons currently allows photos of artwork covered by FOP overseas even though there is uncertainty as to whether foreign FOP for artwork would apply in the US where Commons is hosted.) --Gazebo (talk) 11:03, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Not really, though. That aspect has no bearing on this particular work and its copyright status. I doubt that Commons would count as a compilation; it is more of a database, which is different. There is no creativity in either the selection of works (we want anything which is educational and OK from a copyright perspective), nor its arrangement (it's a database, and the EU has different, sui generis protection for those). The WMF itself would be the defendants, so it would be up to them how to handle it if something actually came up. There are always some restrictions on how you can use FoP photographs; this is just another type of restriction, but like the others I don't think it should mean we don't accept them at all. There are lots of valid uses of such photos. Carl Lindberg (talk) 05:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Creative Commons, indie games, and cloning
Part of my wikiwork involves talking to indie video game developers about licensing some of their game assets to cc-by-sa or freer for use in video game articles (Category:Video game files uploaded by czar). The indie community has a recurring problem with video game clones, when another developer rips off their game idea and circulates the clone for free. The original devs tend to lack recourse with this, since gameplay is not copyrighted. The devs often ask me about their liability to clones before they donate assets to Commons so I wanted to pass along the question to those who know more about this than I do. Should indie devs not be donating certain types of content like app icons and logos, animated GIFs and videos, or certain screenshots or else invite liability with clones?
For instance, in the case of File:FEZ trial gameplay HD.webm, would a cloner be able to use the animation of the game's protagonist if attributed? Would the cloner be able to legally replicate the game as animated? (I'm assuming each of the individual frames are licensed under cc-by-sa with the video.)
And for one specific case, a dev told me that: "The only way we could counter attack the cloners and get them to change their app names or app icons (which were almost identical to our's) was by arguing that they were attempting to mislead our customers by mimicking our trade name and trade dress." Is this right, or do you have better advice? Are these types of needs incompatible with cc-by-sa? czar ♔ 03:52, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
- Releasing game assets under a CC license will almost certainly make it easier for other parties to reuse the assets in other works. (As a side issue, IANAL, but if (for example) party A releases noninfringing game assets under a CC license and party B reuses the assets in a game clone such that as a whole the clone violates the rights of party C, then party A should not be liable to party C for releasing the assets under a CC license.) If a game is licensed in its entirety under a CC license or a combination of the GPL plus one or more CC licenses then it may indeed be easier to produce clones than if the game was licensed under a proprietary license. For a given game, it might be possible for a game to incorporate CC-licensed assets (even CC-BY-SA) while having code (for example) that is not licensed in the same way. (Indeed, the question has come up before as to whether GPL-licensed code can be combined with CC-licensed graphical assets.) Another possibility is for the copyright holder of CC-licensed assets to release the assets under a CC license while also authorizing the use of assets in a game that is not as a whole licensed under a CC license. (The copyright holder of a work can make the work available under multiple licenses if they so choose.) A CC license applies specifically to copyright and does not grant any rights with regard to trademarks or trade dress; however, Creative Commons has indicated that using a CC license may be problematic for trademark rights.
- On the issue of game clones, a case of possible interest is the Tetris clone "Mino" that was found to infringe copyright and trademark rights regarding the Tetris game. From what one understands, the copyright issue was not the game mechanics but a combination of visual aspects that were replicated in "Mino," including as the playfield dimensions, the "game over" screen wherein the pit fills to the top automatically, and the manner of rotating the blocks. There was also a trademark/trade dress issue with the "Mino" game using game pieces made from brightly-colored square blocks.
- --Gazebo (talk) 04:59, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Gazebo, thanks. I'm more interested in the visual aspects than the GPL code since most developers I work with release their press kits under cc-by-sa. My question is whether I should encourage them to leave GIFs or video or icons/logos out of the licensed kit for any reason, if you have a suggestion. For example, if I were to make a game using the main character of the video linked above, would it be infringement with the option of legal recourse if that video was never licensed under cc-by-sa? Does that license give devs a weaker position when combatting cloned work? czar ♔ 16:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- If a press kit for a game is going to consist entirely (or almost entirely) of material that is CC-licensed, it may be possible to have the kit only contain a minimal amount of content from the game, in other words, not enough content to clone the entire game if the contents of the kit were to be reused. Also, if a game incorporates logos or distinctive visual elements that function as a trademark, it may be possible to emphasize that CC licensing of that content does not constitute a trademark license. (Along these lines, the Creative Commons FAQ says that it may be better not to license logos or other trademarks under a CC license; this other CC FAQ entry is also of interest.) --Gazebo (talk) 09:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Gazebo, thanks. I'm more interested in the visual aspects than the GPL code since most developers I work with release their press kits under cc-by-sa. My question is whether I should encourage them to leave GIFs or video or icons/logos out of the licensed kit for any reason, if you have a suggestion. For example, if I were to make a game using the main character of the video linked above, would it be infringement with the option of legal recourse if that video was never licensed under cc-by-sa? Does that license give devs a weaker position when combatting cloned work? czar ♔ 16:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Character animations
Can a character animation taken from a cc-by-sa-licensed gameplay video be used in another video game under cc-by-sa, effectively making the character cc-by-sa? @Gazebo czar ♔ 20:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think that would cause the character itself to be cc-by-sa, unless the animation was the original work which defined the character (and even then it would not cover any aspects of the character defined by later works). If there was enough material for a character copyright overall, a work using the animation might still be derivative of the (fully-copyrighted) character even though the animation itself is OK. It would mean the other video game would have to also be licensed cc-by-sa though. The full answer might depend a lot on the details though (how central is the character or animation to the other game, how much detail is copied, the nature of the use, etc. etc.).
- Given a video game that is not licensed under a CC license, it could be possible for a user to record a gameplay session and then to license the video under a CC license. In such a situation, however, the user would not be able to apply the CC license to preexisting game material for which they were not the copyright holder. In addition, for the user to legitimately distribute their video recording, they might have to obtain permission from the copyright holder(s) for the game unless it was a case where the reuse of the game material within the video was to fall within US fair use or another copyright exception. If a third party wanted to further reuse or redistribute the CC-licensed game recording, they would most likely have to follow both the CC license and any copyright restrictions on the game material itself. --Gazebo (talk) 12:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Neither or both
These two DRs had different outcomes upon very similar, if not identical, copyright situations:
- Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Travel Photo Guy
- Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Metro station Aeroporto (Lisboa)
Same country (Portugal), similar type of authorship (original work by author deceased in 1998 vs. the same by living author), similar artwork technique and display type (glazed tile panels vs. marble inlaid ceramic), identical access conditions (public transportation concourses, available to any ticket carrying passenger within operation hours). Why the different DR outcome? -- Tuválkin ✉ 09:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe those listed at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Travel Photo Guy should not be restored, Commons:FOP#Portugal seems to apply, would like a native to clarify what "public place" means; for example in Spain (and a lot of other non-English Law derived FOP countries) it has to be outdoors. LGA talkedits 23:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- Some one needs to check this as to if the law covers 2d works; only "architecture or sculpture" are listed in the law so it is not clear if 2d works are covered. LGA talkedits 23:56, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- I was thinking the same, but inclining to argue for an undeletion of Files uploaded by Travel Photo Guy: These photos show the tilepanel in such a way that they could be mistaken for illustrations in a book or in posters, not something permanently cemented to a wall. If subway station underground corridors and atria are okay as a «public place» for these, then earthwork retention walls in railway station covered platform concourse are also okay for those (same city, same country, same FoP).
- In Portuguese "local público" means simply "public location" — not especifically outdoors nor indoors. I expect legal text to be quirky in defining what "public" means (hence my doubt concerning access restricted to ticker carriers) but not to the extent that outdoorsness is implied with no need for additional wording in that regard.
- I have however no experience about copyright law, not my country’s or any others, and I really should leave copyvio reporting for those who have expertise on the matter or who enjoy it. Either way, these two decisions need to harmonized according to the same interpretation of the law text — I hope the outcome can be undelete for the deleted and confirmed keep for the kept. -- Tuválkin ✉ 00:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- I am of the view that unless someone can show otherwise, a station is a "public location" and would have filed a request over at COM:UNDEL but for the question of 2d vs 3d works, as I said above the law only mentions "architecture or sculpture" as being allowed, as both are examples of 3d art and a tile panel is a 2d art form we need that part clarified and absent any clarification the result of Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Metro station Aeroporto (Lisboa) may need to be reversed. LGA talkedits 00:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- In the former Swedish copyright law, it was implied from the words "public place" that the place must be outdoors. In 1961, several copyright laws were replaced by a new copyright law, and the notion that the place must be outdoors has since then been explicitly stated. The laws of other countries might imply that a public place must be a place outdoors, but this probably varies from country to country. Different countries have different legal standards. In Sweden, it is not so important to know exactly how the law is worded, and you should instead mainly consider what the lawmaker meant when writing the law, and you must therefore also consider background literature such as prepositions to the parliament in order to know exactly how to interpret the law. In the United States, law seems to a greater extent than in Sweden to be about pointing fingers at the lawmaker, saying "haha, too bad you can't spell" if you find a typo in the law. I don't know how Portuguese law works. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:50, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- There's some element of legislative intent in American law. But we had perfect
legislativenoble intent in law some 4000 years ago, then they erected stuff like Hammurabi's stela, so people knew what the laws were without reading the legislative mind. The law should be designed so people can easily and correctly understand what laws bind them, not so that the legislature doesn't have to worry about making clear its intent.--Prosfilaes (talk) 19:56, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- There's some element of legislative intent in American law. But we had perfect
Are copyrighted images embedded within pdf files allowed on Commons?
At Commons:Deletion requests/File:Multimedia Vision 2016.pdf, Mike Peel (talk · contribs) covered the copyrighted images with the caveat that the files remain embedded in the .pdf file, and acknowledges "the blanking can be easily undone". Although the quote is "blanking", a more accurate description would be 'covering'. From this freely licensed image, using only Adobe Reader, I am able to make a free content derivative of copyrighted material. Would someone versed in dealing with copyright please take a look? Are we now allowing fair use images on Commons, as long as they are embedded in a .pdf and covered (but still present)? 2607:FB90:2205:5CC8:BCB3:3A37:690A:7237 06:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- The problem should now be fixed - please can you check the new version I've uploaded with Adobe Reader to see whether this is the case or not? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- The method I'm using has now been updated, such that the copyrighted image should definitely have been removed - see User:Mike Peel/PDF redaction. Hopefully this should have resolved the anon editor's concerns. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
People in the pub
I have taken a picture of a pub interior. In this picture there are people with faces. What is a proper way to share this picture on Commons? Picture taken in the Czech Republic.--Juandev (talk) 07:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Juandev: See Commons:Photographs of identifiable people and Commons:Country_specific_consent_requirements#Czech_Republic: Looks like you can't upload them unless all people in the picture(s) that can be identified give you their permission. If you have their permission, use {{Consent}}. --El Grafo (talk) 08:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
So, what about to blur their faces?--Juandev (talk) 09:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Juandev, this depends on context. We don't really want lots of photographs on Commons with blurred faces, it starts to be a bit paranoid. If the group in the pub were happy to be photographed (i.e. you stood there with a very visible camera and everyone was posing) there there is little doubt that this was neither a candid camera event, nor could be considered intrusive. Examples of deleted photographs for intrusion might be people eating a meal in a public place that were unaware that someone was about to take a photo, and was capturing them stuffing a giant pie in their face, or people scantily clothed on the beach who might be unaware of someone in the nearby dunes with a zoom lens as a reasonable expectation of privacy is likely to overrule freedom of panorama. So, a lot of this is your statement rather than black and white copyright law; if these are people who know you, then then is unlikely to be any issue, other situations might result in deletion discussions.
- P.S. De minimis is a useful reference if people's faces are not the main focus of the photograph and they are both the general public and any individual is in relatively low resolution were their face to be cropped out from a photo. --Fæ (talk) 09:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
OK. Thx for the further explanation.--Juandev (talk) 06:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Is this condition compliant with commons licenses?
I'd like to get the community feedback about this license. It's popular among some organizations within the government of Spain and I don't know whether its is compliant or not.
It can be found here, here or here. It reads as follows:
"Se autoriza la reproducción total o parcial de los contenidos del Portal, siempre que se cite expresamente su origen público."
"The full or partial reproduction of the contents of this Portal is allowed provided that its public origin (or source) is specifically stated."
That is, it requires that its public origin (meaning that it has been created by government department or agency) has to be stated. Is it compliant? Is it equivalent to any CC license? Best regards --Discasto talk | contr. | es.wiki analysis 21:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- I can't read the whole thing, but that's basically an attribution rule, so no big deal.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Well, in fact, what I've seen in other files uploaded to commons from these sites has been {{its public origin (or source) is specifically stated.}}
- I have to notice that, however, IMHO it seems a little bit different from a mere "attribution". It goes further as its "public" status has to be stated and I don't know whether it's "basically an attribution rule". --Discasto talk | contr. | es.wiki analysis 21:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- That's not a sufficient licence. Files under that licence should be tagged with {{Nonderivative}}. --Stefan4 (talk) 22:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Well, if fact it's the opposite. "partial reproduction" is obviously a modification of the content. On the other hand, it does not prevent from any kind of modification. My understanding of legislation is that Everything which is not forbidden is allowed. --Discasto talk | contr. | es.wiki analysis 21:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
uploading a video clip from Facebook
I've uploaded to wikipedia a video I found on facebook (File:British Forces former commander testified about IDF actions in a combat zone.ogv). I don't know what to write on the Licensing part. please help. Day26013 (talk) 21:44, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
- This looks like a TV grab. Regards, Yann (talk) 03:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
- Couldn't find any clear information on that. still don't know what exactly should I write/I use Day26013 (talk) 14:45, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
- If the source is UN Watch, the original release appears to be here. The video is hosted on youtube under the Standard Youtube License, a Commons-incompatible license. So, if they are indeed the original source of the footage, then there's nothing you can do. –moogsi (talk) 02:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
- Couldn't find any clear information on that. still don't know what exactly should I write/I use Day26013 (talk) 14:45, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
file from Flickr
Dear friends,
Is it allowed to upload this file to Commons?
Female Figurine 3400-2750 BCE
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mharrsch/3859375883/
It has a CC licence, but I'm not sure it's the right one.
All the best, Y-barton (talk) 02:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
- This is a non-commercial license, so not good enough for Commons. Regards, Yann (talk) 03:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
No author name
when referring to an image which has no author name is it right to refer to user name instead of author? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.35.186.190 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
- No, it's better to put "{{Unknown|author}}" as the value for the
|author=
parameter in the {{Information}} template. — SMUconlaw (talk) 12:37, 29 August 2014 (UTC) - If you have an image uploaded by a user who has not give their name, it is appropriate to use their user name for attribution.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Does FOP apply to artwork on vehicles?
Currently, Commons accepts photos of artwork that is covered by FOP (freedom of panorama) in the country where the photo was taken. An issue that would be useful to address is whether FOP applies when artwork is permanently attached to the outside of a vehicle (i.e. a car, train, ship, or airplane) that publicly travels to different locations, such as a Red Bull campaign car, as opposed to being permanently installed in a fixed location. (Presumably, artwork temporarily attached to the outside of a vehicle would likely not be covered by FOP.)
Another issue: If FOP was to apply to artwork permanently attached to a vehicle, would it make a difference if the vehicle and the artwork were originally from one country but happened to be within a different country when the photo was taken? --Gazebo (talk) 12:41, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think not, most FOP's require the work to be permanently located in the public place (as far as I can recall only North Korea has a FOP that lacks the permanently located requirement), a car is very rarely permanently located anywhere except perhaps when in a museum display. None of the Red Bull campaign car images appear to be permanently located. LGA talkedits 22:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
- Also Mexico apparently. In many countries, FoP only applies to buildings and/or sculptures. --ghouston (talk) 00:04, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think not, most FOP's require the work to be permanently located in the public place (as far as I can recall only North Korea has a FOP that lacks the permanently located requirement), a car is very rarely permanently located anywhere except perhaps when in a museum display. None of the Red Bull campaign car images appear to be permanently located. LGA talkedits 22:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Question about UK copyright
I'd like to upload the picture of a postcard from this page to illustrate the Wikipedia article w:1906 Dundee fire, but I'm finding UK copyright laws confusing and I'd rather ask for help than risk making a mistake. The postcard was created in 1906, and more details are included on the page I linked to. Is the picture public domain yet? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- It depends on if the postcard indicated who the author is. If the actual human person is named or identifiable, then it would expire 70 years after they died. If there is no indication at all, it should be PD and can be marked with {{PD-UK-unknown}} (and {{PD-1923}} for the US side of things). Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the guidance. The postcard doesn't seem to indicate the identity of the artist, so I'll upload it with {{PD-UK-unknown}}. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:16, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Propose to update CC license tags to comply with the new wordings in CC deeds
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I'm proposing this matter here per the advice of ChrisiPK at AN.
As we all know, CC had updated all of their license deeds after the release of CC 4.0 licenses. It is to educate the licensees (and licensors too) about the legal terms by highlighting them more promptly. And, we can see some terms like "remix", "work", "file" are not perfectly conveying the copyright terms. So CC changed them to "adapt", "material" to satisfy all types of works, means and medium we are using.
There is also a warning about the third party rights (like publicity, privacy and moral rights) that may limit the reuse. Our current practice is to add specific tags on individual files, which is time consuming and not perfect as we can't check all files.
Ref:
- Marking your work with a CC license "Example: Image"
- Choose a license
- Best practices for attribution
- Best Practices for Creative Commons attributions
- Creative Commons Attribution For Photos
So I propose to update the layout templates:
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Votes
DiscussionWelcome to any suggestions. Jee 07:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
I just noticed that the links in the icons on the current tags are not working. It seems This looks like a useful improvement and brings our CC4 template in line with their deed.
-- Colin (talk) 07:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I got the ping. I still had this somewhere on my list. My main concern is that it's going to become some massive bulky template. The first prototype doesn't look promising at all. We should focus on getting a slick small template, not trying to teach copyright in a template. I'm inviting some of the WMF legal and design people to pitch in. Multichill (talk) 19:57, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I added a second example covering all CC terms in the deed. Note that I included the "exception" clause too under "notices". Jee 15:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC) The advice of the legal team is requested, and LuisV (WMF) offered to help. Jee 06:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Stefan4 (talk) 00:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
WMF inputHi everyone, I asked the WMF people for input. Actually for two types of input:
They're not telling us what to do, but advising us (the community) so we can make a decision. The people who'll take the lead from the WMF side:
Some other WMF people might help out too. I hope this helps to increase the quality of our licensing templates. Multichill (talk) 09:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Comment So, some preliminary thoughts from me - thanks to Multichill and Jee for asking me to weigh in; sorry I couldn't do it more promptly.
Those are my preliminary thoughts; sorry they can't be more concrete/specific but this isn't that sort of problem :/ Hope they are helpful. I'm very busy in the run up to Wikimania but will try to be as responsive as possible here. Thanks! —Luis Villa (WMF) (talk) 01:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
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